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What is Aeromed-list?
Aeromed-list is an internet mailing list. When a member of the list sends an email to the list address (aeromed-list@silverquick.com) the message is sent to all other members of the list. Only people who are members of aeromed-list are able to send and receive aeromed-list messages.
The aeromed-list aeromedical list is an internet mailing list devoted to the human aspects of aviation. The wide variety of aeromed-list members share a common interest in aerospace medicine, physiology, human factors, and related fields.
The members of aeromed-list use the service to discuss and debate a range of aeromedical topics and to share information with one another.How long has aeromed-list been around?
Aeromed-listed came into being during June 1996. The first post, to the then 13 members, was:
Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 21:28:29 +1600 From: "Dougal Watson"
Subject: Aeromed-list: First post.
To: Aeromed-listHi folks,
I think thirteen counts as a critical mass of some sort - the list now has thirteen members and I just wanted to welcome you all. There's a few names I know and recognise and who I know we can rely on for wise counsel on any aeromedical issues that might pop-up.
The listserver software appears to be glitch free but please do forgive us if any problems develop in these initial stages.
I also expect this venue to be pretty quiet until our numbers swell (I expect a hundred or so members within the next few days - it's only a half day old now) by then I expect / hope we will have a useful electronic forum to discuss aeromedical issues. If you have any aeromedical problems or questions please mail the list. If your problems are with the management or function of the list please email me.
Great to have you on-board
DougalWho can join aeromed-list?
Anyone can join aeromed-list. Although the discussion on aeromed-list is limited to aeromedical, and related, topics you do not need to be an aeromedical specialist to be a member.
The members of aeromed-list are a diverse bunch from all over the world. The list membership includes people from airlines, military forces, universities, regulatory authorities, aviation administration organisations, flying clubs, schools, publications, as well as other individuals with an interest in the field. Every now and then a demographics update is posted to the list outlining the diversity of our membership. This information can also be found on our demographics page.Who can post to aeromed-list?
Aeromed-list will only accept email postings from members who have joined the list. How to join the list is discussed in the section of this FAQ titled "How do I join aeromed- list?"
How do I join aeromed-list?
To join the aeromed-list go first to the aerospace medicine home page at http://www.aeromedical.org, and click on the "Mailing Lists" navigation tab at the top of that page. This takes you to the main page for the aeromed-list. From this page you can click on the link titled "Join aeromed-list" which takes you, first, to this FAQ page, and then, via another link at the bottom of this page, to the administration page and form.
Fill out the form on the administration page, making sure that you select the "Join the aeromed-list" option at the top of the form, and click the submit button at the bottom of that page. When your request has been succesfully sent your browser will be directed to an acknowledgement page headed with "Thank you. Your request details have been forwarded.".
Your submission will be sent to the listowner who will add your address to the list. Joining usually occurs within 12 - 24 hours but sometimes, if the listowner is away, may take several days.
How do I leave aeromed-list?
Please DO NOT post email to the list requesting your removal ... this is a nuisance to all list members and does not hasten your removal.
To leave the aeromed-list go first to the aerospace medicine home page at http://www.aeromedical.org, and click on the "Mailing Lists" navigation tab at the top of that page. This takes you to the main page for the aeromed-list. From this page you can click on the link titled "Leave aeromed-list" which takes you to the administration page and form.
Insert the necessary details, making sure that you select the "Leave the aeromed-list" option at the top of the form, into the form and click the submit button at the bottom of the page. When your request has been succesfully sent your browser will be directed to an acknowledgement page headed with "Thank you. Your request details have been forwarded.".
Your submission will be sent to the listowner who will remove your address from the list. Removal usually occurs within 12 - 24 hours but sometimes, if the listowner is away, may take several days. Please do not send multiple requests for removal, once is enough. Any delay is due to the listowner being unavailable to make the necessary changes.
How do I change my email address on aeromed-list?
Changing your email address on aeromed-list is simply a matter of removing (leave) your old address and adding (join) your new address. This can be done by using the same webform that you used to join the list.
To change your address on the aeromed-list go first to the aerospace medicine home page at http://www.aeromedical.org, and click on the "Mailing Lists" navigation tab at the top of that page. This takes you to the main page for the aeromed-list. From this page you can click on the link titled "Change your Address or update your website entry" which takes you to the administration page and form.
Insert the necessary details, making sure that you select the "Change my aeromed-list address " option near the top of the form, into the form and click the submit button at the bottom of the page. When your request has been succesfully sent your browser will be directed to an acknowledgement page headed with "Thank you. Your request details have been forwarded.".
Your submission will be sent to the listowner who will make the requested changes. This usually occurs within 12 - 24 hours but sometimes, if the listowner is away, may take several days. Please do not send multiple requests, once is enough. Any delay is due to the listowner being unavailable to make the necessary changes.
I tried posting to aeromed-list but my message was refused. What is the problem? Did I do something wrong?
There are two common causes of this problem:
- The email address that you added to aeromed-list is not identical to the address that your mailer has set in its 'from' header.
- Your address has been removed from the aeromed-list.
Non-identical email addresses
Some internet services, especially those used by government and military facilities, make heavy use of email aliases where email directed to any of several addresses will still get through to you. If you join aeromed-list using one alias, say your_ID
alias1.isp.address you will receive email from the list at that address. If your email program is set with your_ID
To solve this problem either change the address shown in your outgoing email so it's the same as the address you joined aeromed-list with or change your aeromed-list address to be the same as the one shown in your email.
If you're unsure what address your mailer has set simply send yourself an email and see what address is shown in the 'from' or 'sender' section.Address removed from the aeromed-list
If you are unable to post to the aeromed-list and have not been receiving correspondence from the list it is possible that your address has been removed from the list. For more details on this see the section of this FAQ titled "I joined aeromed-list some time ago but just recently seem to have stopped receiving mail from the list".
I've recently joined aeromed-list and haven't received any email from the list. What is the problem?
It is rare for two days to pass without there being a posting to the aeromed-list. If you've received nothing for several days then it's likely that something is wrong.
The commonest causes of this problem are:
- There was an error in your attempt to join;
- There are delays in the communications links to the listmanager computer;
- It's a quiet time on the list and there has been no correspondence;
- You've been removed from the aeromed-list.
Error in joining
When your request to join the aeromed-list has been succesfully sent your browser is directed to an acknowledgement page headed with "Thank you. Your request details have been forwarded.". If you've not been sent this page it's possible your application was never sent.
The best option here is to wait a couple more days and then to use the joining web-page again ... and make sure you get the acknowledgement page afterwards.
If you are receiving mail from the list but have been unable to post to the list see the section of this FAQ titled "I tried posting to aeromed-list but my message was refused".
Communication delays
Sometimes the communications links across the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans, or elsewhere, are malfunctioning or running to full capacity. At these times there may be substantial delays before your joining message gets through to the list owner or the listmanager computer (The list owner finds himself in an antipodean locale while the servers are located in the UK and most members are in North America).
Another possibility is that the list owner is away and has been unable to process your application to join the aeromed-list.
It's also possible that some other internet vagary or phenomenon has conspired to mess-up your application.
If you're sure you've joined correctly and you've been directed to the acknowledgement page, but you've not received any aeromed-list correspondence, then it's suggested you first wait twenty-four hours. If, after this time, you have still not received any correspondence from the list it is suggested you join again but use the autojoin facility accessed via http://www.aeromedical.org. Double check that you're using your correct email address.The list is having a quiet spell
As with any internet mailing list the correspondence on aeromed-list waxes and wanes. It is, however, unusual for 48 hours to pass without at least one or two postings to aeromed-list.
Historically the month of May has been quiet on the aeromed-list.
Removed from the aeromed-list
From time to time email addresses are removed from the list for various reasons.
The commonest reason for this is periodic 'spring cleaning' where apparently incorrect, redundant, or inactive addresses are removed. The most commonly affected addresses are from hotmail.com, aol.com, and yahoo.com ISPs. If this happens simply rejoin the list as this will confirm the validity, and activity, of your address.
The list manager computers are also setup to remove addresses from which aeromed-list mail bounces two or three times over a short period. This can happen, for example, if your ISP servers have been 'down' or unreliable for a couple of days. If this happens simply rejoin the list as this will confirm the validity, and activity, of your address.
I joined aeromed-list some time ago but just recently seem to have stopped receiving mail from the list. What is the problem?
It is possible that your email address has been removed from aeromed-list.
Removed from the aeromed-list
From time to time email addresses are removed from the list for various reasons.
The commonest reason for this is periodic 'spring cleaning' where apparently incorrect, redundant, or inactive addresses are removed. The most commonly affected addresses are from hotmail.com, aol.com, and yahoo.com ISPs. If this happens simply rejoin the list as this will confirm the validity, and activity, of your address.
The list manager computers are also setup to remove addresses from which aeromed-list mail bounces two or three times over a short period. This can happen, for example, if your ISP servers have been 'down' or unreliable for a couple of days.
Occasionally addresses are removed from aeromed-list for reasons other than spring-cleaning or bounced email. For more details on this see the section of this FAQ titled "What happens when members act inappropriately on aeromed-list?"
I am receiving duplicate messages from aeromed-list. What is the problem?
There are two common causes of this problem:
- You have two addresses joined to aeromed-list;
- You have made an error in setting up the filters in your mailer program.
Two addresses
If you have changed email addresses on the list or use several different addresses from work and home it is possible that you have aeromed-list correspondence being directed to you via two different addresses. The most reliable way to correct this is to go to the aeromed-list autojoin webpage and 'leave' the list with all the email addresses you've used over the recent past and then 'join' with the one you'd like to keep using.
Mailer filter setup
Most modern email programs provide a variety of filter functions through which you can automatically handle much of your email. It is not unusual for novice email filter users to set their filters up so that they duplicate certain incoming email messages.
This FAQ hasn't the space to discuss the vagaries of every different email program's filters so if you are using filters to handle your aeromed-list correspondence, especially for the first time, then check their function out very thoroughly.I posted a question to aeromed-list and no one responded. Did I do something wrong? Did I upset somebody?
There are sometimes questions or requests posted to mailing lists that do not receive replies. This can happen for a number of reasons including:
- There is no one on the list that feels they have enough expertise to reply;
- Personal or professional reasons prevent people from replying;
- The request is poorly thought-out, ambiguous, or offensive;
- It is clear that the requester has made little effort to understand the topic and is hoping for an easy solution to their problem or for someone else to write their assignment or essay for them;
- The topic is a political hot-potato that no-one's willing to become involved in;
- The topic comes up so often that no list member is interested in answering it yet again.
Of course, aeromed-list members have no obligation to provide you with the information you seek. It is your responsibility to ask your questions, or make your comments, in a way that will engage the other list members and have them wanting to assist you and discuss the matter with you.
What languages are allowed on aeromed-list?
Every language is welcome on aeromed-list. Historically most of the discussion is in English.
Is my mail to aeromed-list censored or vetted in any way?
No. Aeromed-list is not a moderated mailing list. All aeromed-list members are invited to join in list discussions in a courteous and helpful manner. Other aspects of internet etiquette are discussed in the section of this FAQ titled "Does aeromed-list have any internet etiquette rules I should be aware of?".
Does aeromed-list have any internet etiquette rules I should be aware of?
In short: On-topic, not commercial, and always courteous.
General
All mailing lists rely on the goodwill and courteous behaviour of their members for smooth running and success. Aeromed-list is no exception and has, to date, experienced an absolute minimum or inconsiderate behaviour.
Many detailed explanations of internet etiquette (netiquette) can be found on the web. You can use your favourite search engine and the keyword 'netiquette' or 'internetiquette' or 'netiquet' to find some or you might like to checkout the summaries attached at the end of this FAQ. These are especially recommended for newcomers to internet mailing lists.Specific to Aeromed-list
The general rules of netiquette apply to aeromed-list. There are also a number of rules should be emphasised or are specific to aeromed-list.
- Be courteous at all times, even if you strongly disagree with someone.
- Keep you postings on-topic. The aeromed-list applies a fairly liberal interpretation of what is relevant to aeromedicine but occasionally members are reminded and requested to bring a discussion thread back into the realms of aeromedicine.
- Do not post email with attachments to the list. If you have a file you think may be of interest to list members mention it on the list and wait for those who are interested to approach you for a copy. Alternatively, if you have your own website, post it on the web and advise the list of the URL. Not only do attachments clog-up mailing lists and irritiate users but they are also a frequent mode of computer virus dissemination. (The aeromed-list servers are now set to reject postings that contain attachments)
- Do not post commercial material to the list. Do not advertise your services or organisation on the list. If you have material that is vaguely commercial (such as a 'classified' advertisement for a vacant aeromedical position) and you think it may be of interest to the list send it to the Listowner who will decide whether to post it to the list or not.
- Do not post joke pages to the list. By all means exercise your sense of humour, we all need a chuckle now and then, but please do not post joke pages to the list. Most of us have already read them ... a thousand times.
- Do not post html email to the list and try to avoid formatted email (such as Eudora Pro and similar mailers produce) as the hypertext in these mail formats shows as text in a basic mailer and makes your message virtually unreadable. It is safest to post your email to a mailing list in the simplest format you can and that's plain old asci text.
- Do not simply hit 'return' and add a couple of lines of comment to the bottom of the message. Take a little time to remove those parts of the original message that are not relevant to your reply. The people who are interested in the topic will already have read the original and so don't want to have to wade through it again just to get to your few lines of comments.
- De-identify all medical case histories you discuss. Make sure that it is absolutely impossible for other list members to identify the person you are discussing. To do otherwise would be not only a breach of netiquette but potentially a breach of the doctor-patient relationship.
- Do try to include references in support of your opinions, especially if you're involved in a debate on a topic.
- Do ask questions. Something you're worried about is never going to be a 'stupid question' to people with a similar interest in aerospace medicine.
- Do not quote anyone from aeromed-list in any other publication without obtaining specific permission from them.
- Do remember that unless you specifically desire anonymity most people prefer to deal with a person with a name and some form of identification. While you are welcome to stay anonymous if you wish you are encouraged to close your correspondence to the list with your name and, if relevant, your place of employ or your affiliation with aeromedicine.
- Be careful when you're replying to a posting from the list. The default situation is a reply to the whole list so if you only want to reply to the original poster you will have to copy and paste their address. It can be very embarrassing to post, to the whole list, a letter intended for only one person to read.
- Do not post seasonal or religious greetings to the aeromed-list. The members of this list are from all over the world and have many different cultural and religious backgrounds. Almost every day of the year is a religious festival to someone on the list and if everyone posts greetings and felicitations in respect to their festivals the list would be continuously clogged with well intentioned, but off-topic, postings. Please send your religious and festival greetings offlist.
- If you have any problems or worries with the behaviour of others on the aeromed-list direct your concerns to the list owner and not to the mailing list itself.
Does aeromed-list accept advertising or sponsorship?
Aeromed-list is not a commercial venture but does, from time-to-time, accept sponsorship to help keep the list and associated webpages running. Those organisations that support the aeromed-list are usually recognised with short banners at the conclusion of list correspondence and links from the aeromed-list webpages.
I disagree with a posting on aeromed-list. Is it OK to write this to the list?
Lists such as the aeromed-list thrive on debate and discussion. Few topics discussed on this list are so open-and-closed that everyone holds the same opinion. If you disagree with someone's posting you are encouraged to voice your alternative opinion.
But when you do post a dissenting perspective please be very careful to exercise the utmost courtesy and, where possible, to support your view with examples, anecdotes, or references from the literature.What happens when members act inappropriately on aeromed-list?
Very occasionally someone acts in a manner that consistently causes upset or offence to other aeromed-list members. The list owner and list service provider usually respond to this in four stages: A polite email (usually offlist) pointing out the problems being caused and how this can be avoided in the future; A firm email along the same lines (A 'Dougaling' in list jargon); Suspension from the list with the ability to rejoin (Also a 'Dougaling'); Expulsion from the list with removal of the ability to rejoin (A 'Thorough Dougaling').
Sometimes, usually when the inappropriate posting is thought to result from a virus infection, an address is removed immediately from the list. In this case the list owner will be liaising with the owner of that address behind-the-scenes to accommodate their rejoining as soon as their computer problems have been sorted out.
What should I do when someone behaves inappropriately on aeromed-list?
Different people have different visions of what is appropriate behaviour on internet fora such as aeromed-list. While there are aspects of netiquette upon which most folk agree there are also more contentious, borderline, topics. To maintain the tone and level of a mailing list such as aeromed-list in a fair and even manner it is usually best that netiquette and content issues be dealt with by the one central person or agency. In the case of aeromed-list this central person is the listowner.
You should not take it upon yourself to 'correct' any other person who has transgressed your ideas of netiquette. You should bring the problem to the attention of the listowner who will follow the matter up, usually offlist.Has there been any previous aeromed-list discussions on the topic I'm interested in?
There almost certainly has but the list-archive service has been temporarily suspended.
I'm looking for references on a particular topic. Can aeromed-list help me?
Yes. Some members of aeromed-list have bibliographic databases from which they can quickly provide reference lists. You should not, however, assume that anyone with this facility will read your request or will be able to provide you with data .... but there's rarely any harm done in asking.
There is also an aeromedical bibliographic database accessible from the aerospace medicine home page (http://www.aeromedical.org) by using, first, the 'Publications' navigation tab, and then the links to the Bibliographic Search Engine.I'm looking for an opinion concerning a medical condition and flying. Can aeromed-list help me?
Yes, maybe. Many members of aeromed-list are aerospace medicine practitioners and some may have experience with the condition that concerns you.
Aeromed-list is not a replacement for consulting an expert aerospace medicine practitioner in person but might act as a useful adjunct to such a consultation. Do not, however, be surprised or upset if no-one replies to such a posting. Medical practitioners are usually very reticent to undertake remote consultations of this sort.You should always consider your postings to the aeromed-list as being public and ensure that your statements are appropriate to this purpose.
Despite being a public list the aeromed-list recognises and respects its members' reasonable desire for privacy. Your name, and other details, will not be divulged unless you submit details for inclusion on the aeromed-list and aeromedical practitioners web-pages. Of course you are welcome to provide as much, or as little, personal information to others as you wish.
The listowner will not accommodate requests from listmembers for details about other listmembers.
If you have a comment that you'd like posted to the list but would prefer that it not be attributed to you please contact the listowner directly. Non-attributed postings are occasionally forwarded to the list when they're relevant and appropriate and the author list member has a valid reason (such as potential liability to their employer) for wishing to remain anonymous.
To further assist with your privacy all email addresses shown on this website use a graphic
Remember, these addresses contain a graphic and so will not copy and paste cleanly. You will need to insert a text @ after you paste for the address to work correctly.
aeromed-list.aeromedical.orgsilverquick.netsilverquick.comWelcome to our list. We all look
forward to your contributions.
Dougal Watson
List Owner, List Dictator, & General Ne'er Do Well.
